Ketubot 17B

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אבל למאן דמתני, לית ליה שיעורא.

However, for one who taught others, there is no measure for the number of people attending the funeral.

ואם יש עדים שיצתה בהינומא וכו׳. מאי הינומא? סורחב בר פפא משמיה דזעירי אמר: תנורא דאסא. רבי יוחנן אמר: קריתא דמנמנמא בה כלתא.

The Mishnah continues: And if there are witnesses that she went out of her father’s house to her wedding with a hinnuma her marriage contract is 200 dinars. The Talmud asks: What is a hinnuma? Surḥav bar Pappa said in the name of Ze’eiri: It is a canopy of myrtle over the bride’s head. R' Yoḥanan said: It is a veil [kerita] covering the bride’s face under which the bride dozes [menamna].

רבי יוחנן בן ברוקא אומר וכו׳. תנא ביהודה ראיה, בבבל מאי? אמר רב: דרדוגי דמשחא ארישא דרבנן. אמר ליה רב פפא לאביי: משחא דחפיפותא קאמר מר? אמר ליה: יתמא, לא עבדא לך אמך דרדוגי משחא ארישא דרבנן בשעת מעשה? כי הא דההוא מרבנן דאיעסק ליה לבריה בי רבה בר עולא, ואמרי לה, רבה בר עולא איעסק ליה לבריה בי ההוא מרבנן, ודרדיג משחא ארישא דרבנן בשעת מעשה.

The Mishnah continues: R' Yoḥanan ben Beroka says: Even testimony that there was distribution of roasted grain constitutes proof that she is a virgin. It was taught with regard to the Mishnah: In Judea, that is proof; however, what are the customs at the weddings of virgins in Babylonia? Rav said: Smearing fragrant oil on the heads of the rabbis was customary. Rav Pappa, who was unfamiliar with that practice, said to Abaye: Is the Master saying oil for shampooing the hair? Calling him an orphan because he was ignorant of the custom, he said to him: Orphan, didn’t your mother perform for you smearing of oil on the heads of the rabbis at the time of the performance of your wedding ceremony? As this was the case when one of the rabbis who arranged for his son to marry into the family of Rabba bar Ulla attended the wedding, and some say that it was Rabba bar Ulla who arranged for his son to marry into the family of one of the rabbis; and he smeared oil on the heads of the rabbis at the time of the performance of the wedding ceremony.

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