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תרד. מנחה הבאה עם הזבח – לדברי רבן גמליאל ורבי יהושע לא תרד, לדברי כולן תרד.
even that meal offering should descend, as it is not similar to lambs. With regard to a meal offering that comes with an animal offering, either a burnt offering or peace offering, according to the statements of Rabban Gamliel and R' Yehoshua, it should not descend, as it is meant for consumpion by the fire. According to the statements of everyone else, i.e., R' Shimon and the tannai’im of the baraita, it should descend, as it is neither offered by itself nor is it an animal.
נסכים הבאין בפני עצמן – לדברי כולן ירדו, לדברי רבן גמליאל ורבי שמעון לא ירדו. נסכין הבאין עם הזבח – לדברי כולן ירדו, לדברי רבן גמליאל לחודיה לא ירדו.
Reish Lakish continues: With regard to libations that come by themselves, according to the statements of everyone, i.e., R' Yosei HaGelili, R' Akiva, and R' Yehoshua, they should descend, but according to the statements of Rabban Gamliel and R' Shimon, they should not descend. With regard to libations that come with an animal offering, according to the statements of everyone, they should descend, while according to the statement of Rabban Gamliel alone, they should not descend.
פשיטא! מנחה הבאה בפני עצמה איצטריכא ליה – וכדרבא, דאמר רבא: מתנדב אדם מנחת נסכים בכל יום.
The Talmud questions the need for such a summary: Isn’t it obvious? The Talmud answers: It was necessary for him to state the halakha in the case of a meal offering that comes by itself, and this is in accordance with the statement of Rava. As Rava says: A person can volunteer to bring a meal offering that normally accompanies libations, on any day, even without offering the libations and animal offering that it normally accompanies. Although the summary is itself obvious, it is nevertheless stated to indicate that it is possible to offer such a meal offering.