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כגון דאתפיס אחרינא בהדין נדרא. אי אמרת חלין — הויא תפיסותא. אי אמרת לא חלין — לא איכא מששא.
The Talmud answers: There is a difference in a case where another person associated his own vow with this vow. If someone else heard her vow and declared his vow to be like hers, the status of his vow depends on this question. If you say that such vows take effect, then the association of the other person’s vow takes effect. If you say that such vows do not take effect at all, then the vow of the other person has no substance, as the vow with which he associated it never existed.
מאי? תא שמע, אמר רבי אליעזר: אם הפר נדרים שבאו לכלל איסור, לא יפר נדרים שלא באו לכלל איסור? שמע מינה לא חלין!
What, then, is R' Eliezer’s opinion? Come and hear the Mishnah: R' Eliezer said: If one can nullify vows that have reached the status of a prohibition, should he not nullify vows that have not reached the status of a prohibition? Learn from it that such vows do not take effect at all, as they are described as not having reached the status of a prohibition.
מי קתני ״שאינן באין״? ״שלא באו״ קתני, עדיין לא באו.
The Talmud rejects this conclusion: Does the Mishnah teach using the words: That do not reach the status of a prohibition? It teaches: That have not reached the status of a prohibition, which could mean that they have not yet reached the status of a prohibition, but they may take effect, momentarily, when she actually takes the vow.
תא שמע, אמר להן רבי אליעזר: ומה במקום שאין מיפר נדרי עצמו משנדר, מיפר נדרי עצמו עד שלא ידור. מקום שמפר נדרי אשתו משתדור, אינו דין שיפר נדרי אשתו עד שלא תדור?
Come and hear a baraita from the Tosefta (Nedarim 6:5): R' Eliezer said to them: And just as in a situation where he cannot nullify his own vows once he has vowed, he can nullify his own vows before he vows by stipulating beforehand that the vows he takes should not take effect, all the more so in a situation where he can nullify his wife’s vows even after she vows, is it not logical that he should be able to nullify his wife’s vows before she vows?