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אי דעבידא כי אכסדרה הכי נמי. הכא במאי עסקינן, דעבדה כי אורזילא.
The Talmud rejects this argument: If the roof in the covered section of the karpef were made like an enclosed veranda whose roof is level, indeed, both Rava and R' Zeira would agree that the edge of the roof descends to the ground and closes up the area. With what are we dealing here? We are dealing with a case where the roof is made like a hammock, i.e., slanted, and therefore one cannot say that the edge of the roof descends to the ground and encloses the area.
אמר רבי זירא: ומודינא בקרפף שנפרץ במלואו לחצר שאסור. מאי טעמא? הואיל ואויר חצר מייתרו.
R' Zeira said: I agree with Rava with regard to a karpef that is fully breached into a courtyard, meaning the entire wall between them is breached, that it is prohibited to carry in it. What is the reason for this? Because the additional space of the courtyard joins to the karpef and renders it in excess of two beit se’a. Consequently, it is prohibited to carry in it.
מתקיף לה רב יוסף: וכי אויר המותר לו אוסרו?
Rav Yosef strongly objects to this explanation: Does a space in which it is permitted to carry, the courtyard, render the karpef, prohibited? Given that it had been permitted beforehand to carry from the courtyard to the karpef, why say that now that the partition between them is breached, the additional space, which was itself permitted, should render it prohibited to carry in the karpef?
אמר ליה אביי: כמאן, כרבי שמעון? לרבי שמעון נמי, הא איכא אויר מקום מחיצות.
Abaye said to him: In accordance with whose opinion do you say this? Apparently, it is in accordance with the opinion of R' Shimon, who holds that one is permitted to carry from a courtyard to a karpef. But even according to R' Shimon, there is the space where the walls that are now breached had once stood. This space had not been fit for carrying from the outset, even according to R' Shimon; therefore, if the karpef had been at first exactly the area of two beit se’a, it would be prohibited to carry in the entire karpef due to the additional space of the fallen walls.