Bava Kamma 79B

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שכירות דמטלטלין, מטלטלי בני שטרא נינהו?! אמר רב חסדא: שכירות דקרקע.

it is speaking of the rental of movable property, is movable property subject to the writing of a deed? Rather, Rav Ḥisda said: It is referring to the rental of land.

אמר רבי אלעזר: ראוהו שהטמין בחורשין וטבח ומכר ⁠– משלם תשלומי ארבעה וחמשה. אמאי? הא לא משך! אמר רב חסדא: שהכישה במקל.

§ R' Elazar says: If people saw a thief who was hiding in the woods near a herd of grazing animals, and that individual emerged and slaughtered or sold one of the animals from the herd, he pays the fourfold or fivefold payment. The Talmud asks: Why is the thief liable to the fourfold or fivefold payment? But he did not pull the animal. R' Elazar is apparently describing a case where the thief emerged from the forest and slaughtered one of the animals without first moving it, and there is no fourfold or fivefold payment unless the thief first steals the animal. Rav Ḥisda says: This is referring to a case where he hit the animal with a stick, causing it to move.

אמרי: וכיון דראוהו, גזלן הוא! כיון דקא מטמרי מנייהו, גנב הוא.

With regard to R' Elazar’s statement, the rabbis say: But since people saw him doing all this, he is a robber, not a thief, and the fourfold or fivefold payment applies only to thieves. A thief is one who sneaks into a house or other private property; one who commits his act brazenly, in public, is classified as a robber. The Talmud answers: Since he was hiding from them, he is considered a thief, despite the fact that they saw him.

ואלא גזלן היכי דמי? אמר רבי אבהו: כגון בניהו בן יהוידע, שנאמר: ״ויגזל את החנית מיד המצרי, ויהרגהו בחניתו״.

The Talmud asks: But if so, what are the circumstances of a robber? R' Abbahu said: Robbers are like the case of Benaiah ben Jehoiada, as it is stated concerning him: “He slew an Egyptian, a goodly man; and the Egyptian had a spear in his hand; but he went down to him with a staff, and he robbed the spear out of the Egyptian’s hand, and slew him with his own spear” (II Samuel 23:21).

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