Avodah Zarah 75A

רב אמר: במים, והוא הדין לאפר. רבה בר בר חנה אמר: לאפר, והוא הדין למים, ולא פליגי ⁠— הא ברטיבתא, הא ביבשתא.

Rav says: One must cleanse it with water first, and the same must be done with ashes subsequently, and Rabba bar bar Ḥana says: One must cleanse it with ashes first, and the same must be done with water subsequently. The Talmud comments: And they do not disagree. This statement, that it must be cleansed first with ashes and subsequently with water, was stated with regard to a damp winepress. That statement, that first it must be moistened with water and then cleansed with ashes, was stated with regard to a dry winepress.

איתמר בי רב משמיה דרב אמרי: תרתי תלת, ושמואל אמר: תלת ארבע.

A dispute was stated with regard to this matter: The rabbis of the school of Rav say in the name of Rav that the cleansing process consists of two stages for a damp winepress, namely, ashes and water, and 3 stages for a dry winepress, namely, water, ashes, and water. And Shmuel says that it consists of 3 stages for a damp winepress, namely, ashes, water, and ashes, and 4 stages for a dry winepress, namely, water, ashes, water, and ashes.

בסורא מתנו הכי, בפומבדיתא מתנו: בי רב אמרי משמיה דרב: תלת ארבע, ושמואל אמר: ארבע חמש.

In Sura they taught the dispute in this preceding manner, but in Pumbedita they taught it in the following manner: The rabbis of the school of Rav said in the name of Rav that the cleansing process consists of 3 stages for a damp winepress, namely, ashes, water, and ashes, and 4 stages for a dry winepress, namely, water, ashes, water, and ashes. And Shmuel says that it consists of 4 stages for a damp winepress, namely, ashes, water, ashes, and water, and 5 stages for a dry winepress, namely, water, ashes, water, ashes, and water.